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Re: How to keep eBay cars out of your race

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:53 pm
by mehiggins101
TXDerbyDad wrote: I don't care if my boys or I win or lose in our race, though we put a lot of effort into winning.
I understand the sentiment, but I have to admit I do care. More to the point, my son cares, and that's why we put the effort in. But, all the effort means more time together. Anyway, we're on the same page, but I do care if he wins or loses. I don't get upset if he loses, but I do want him to win.

I'm not as concerned about eBay rollers as I am about parents buying pre-modified axles and wheels. One year our pack had a champion who did just that. He passed tech and since I'm the Cubmaster and not the race director, I didn't realize what was up until after the dust settled. Our pack states you must use what was provided in the kit. Now, if you buy extra kit nails, I don't see a problem with that (and we couldn't tech that anyway), but buying pro-polished nails is more than technically cheating. Buying lightened wheels that are matched and have the mold marks intact might pass most tech inspections, but is still cheating. Nothing was said. I hate the idea of disqualifying a kid based on the deeds of the dad. I think this year we may (change is a hard sell with my pack) add a Super Stock class for guest racers and cars that fail tech.

Re: How to keep eBay cars out of your race

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:46 pm
by ZebsRacing
Stamping does nothing when a parent can send in his car to be "tuned" by the pros. In any event, alot of good ideas. Some I will certainly bring up to our District.

Re: How to keep eBay cars out of your race

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:48 pm
by 358t
It goes against scout code/oath to buy a car off of the internet. Doing that is breaking the rules and has no honor. Shame on any parents that would teach their child this.

I have no idea/proof if it happened at last seasons scout race but there were a handful of cars that ran nearly as fast as the basx league class at the scout race and then when it came to districts they were 2 tenths of a second slower while everyone one else was the same to .04 slower. Makes a person wonder...

Mold matched wheels by themselves do not make for a fast car. So I don't see the problem with that as long as the wheels are not lightened and machined. Heck if a person buys enough packs of wheels you can find 3 pretty good wheels that would be better than a pack of "mold matched" wheels.

Re: How to keep eBay cars out of your race

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:58 am
by Vitamin K
There's a parent/kid in my son's Pack who I am almost certain gets their cars from some for-hire builder. I don't have enough proof to nail them, though, so I haven't made a fuss. That would definitely be ugly if it came to it.

I almost wonder if it would be worth having both adult and scout affirm, at the check in, that on their honor they have built the car themselves and have not broken any rules. Not sure that would help, though, if people are already determined to cheat.

Re: How to keep eBay cars out of your race

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:29 am
by Speedster
I find it very difficult for someone to cheat. First, you need an inspector that has read, and understands, Troy Thorne's book, "Build a Winning Pinewood Derby Car." Next, ask the Inspector to describe in detail a 1.8 gram wheel. If he can't, get another Inspector. I doubt someone building cars for money per someone elses rules would put lightened wheels on the car.
A lot depends on the rules. If your rules allow you to rail ride and no one else knows what that means I suspect that car has a good chance of winning. If a car is built using science from the very beginning to the very end and then has a quality track to tune it on, that car is going to be difficult to beat no matter who built it. If it is true a person buys a car and wins the race my heart goes out to that person. People remember the Pinewood Derby for ever and that person now has to live with it the rest of their life. That's Gotta Hurt.

Re: How to keep eBay cars out of your race

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:31 am
by Vitamin K
Speedster wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:29 am
If it is true a person buys a car and wins the race my heart goes out to that person. People remember the Pinewood Derby for ever and that person now has to live with it the rest of their life. That's Gotta Hurt.
This is truth. The racing part of Pinewood Derby is only a fraction of the enjoyment. For kid/parent teams, the real joy is the time you spend together in the build. Cheat that, and who's the real loser?